tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post2289998190618959784..comments2024-03-24T14:05:18.014-07:00Comments on alvor-silves: O 25 de Abril e a NATOAlvor-Silveshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-50849821391225596722024-03-24T14:05:18.014-07:002024-03-24T14:05:18.014-07:00No episódio 36 de "A Guerra", ao tempo d...No episódio 36 de "A Guerra", ao tempo de 1:08:30 o Padre António Oliveira é mandado dizer a Sabimbi que vão dar a independência a Angola muito em breve, isto é... é mandado dizer tal por um General que já estava a preparar o golpe com a NATO.<br /><br />IRFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-30612246228101269272021-03-30T11:36:16.124-07:002021-03-30T11:36:16.124-07:00Relativamente à sua pergunta:
»»» Deixo a questão:...Relativamente à sua pergunta:<br />»»» <i>Deixo a questão: quem solicitou a sua presença.</i><br /><br />Creio que estes links podem ajudar:<br /><br />https://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2020/05/carnaval-revolucionario.html<br />https://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2020/04/marcelo-e-os-40-baroes.html<br />https://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2019/04/dos-comentarios-49-25-de-abril-sem.html<br />https://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2019/04/do-11-de-setembro-ao-25-de-abril.html<br /><br />etc... porque chega-se a Abril, e há quase sempre novidades.<br /><br />Mas respondendo rapidamente à pergunta, o 25-Abril antes de o ser já o era, pelo menos com um ano de antecedência. <br /><br />Quem orquestrou a ligação da NATO com o MFA foi claramente Gomes da Costa.<br /><br />Gomes da Costa fez de figura passiva, colocando Otelo à frente, mas foi ele quem coordenou todas as movimentações.<br /><br />Cumprimentos.<br />Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-31364390664452622242021-03-30T11:16:32.286-07:002021-03-30T11:16:32.286-07:00Comentário transferido de
https://alvorsilves.bl...Comentário transferido de <br /><br />https://alvorsilves.blogs.sapo.pt/o-25-de-abril-e-a-nato-123467<br /><br /><b>De Anónimo a 29.03.2021 às 22:25</b><br /><br />A NATO, esteve diretamente envolvida no golpe. Quem solicitou a sua intervenção!?<br />Vejamos: a expressão popular "Uma imagem vale mais do que mil palavras" torna-se muito flagrante se olharmos com olhos de ver, o que se passou no Tejo, quando a Fragata, Almirante Gago Coutinho, NRP F 473, frente ao Cais das Colunas, muito depois de ter "rondado", ter passado a estibordo da fragata Canadiana, quando esta ainda estava ancorada na doca da Marinha. Poucos instantes depois, o NRP, F 473 A. Gago Coutinho, posicionou-se frente ao Cais das Colunas. Independentemente do que se passou a bordo (ponte de comando), horas depois, porque razão se posicionaram dois vasos de guerra da NATO (STANAVFORLANT) HMCS DDE- 281 HURON, e o USS DEG - 6 JULIUS A. FURER, como barreira de interposição para a Praça de Comércio, quando estes, supostamente navegavam horas antes a descer o Tejo, para alto mar, juntamente com a Gago Coutinho, para partirem para o referido Exercício Naval "Dawn Patrol". Deixo a questão: quem solicitou a sua presença.da Maianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-74559716489998489272020-04-21T17:50:51.716-07:002020-04-21T17:50:51.716-07:00Bom, as coisas são mais complicadas do que parecem...Bom, as coisas são mais complicadas do que parecem, e certamente que aos 14 anos, em que procuramos convicções mais estáveis, convirá perceber que para além do que nos é dito, muito mais é ocultado.<br /><br />Aos bisontes, uns empurravam contra a esquerda, outros empurravam contra a direita, para que o resultado fosse este:<br />https://alvor-silves.blogspot.com/2020/04/buffalo-jump.html<br /><br />Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-13670514614518214332020-04-21T14:29:04.533-07:002020-04-21T14:29:04.533-07:00Olá! Ainda bem que tenho um pai de direita que bem...Olá! Ainda bem que tenho um pai de direita que bem me ensinou que este Governo não é o que parece ser. Isto porque se não fosse ele eu provavelmente seria mais uma criança com a cabeça lavada pela esquerda. Tenho apenas 14 anos e consigo entender perfeitamente que o 25 de abril não foi, nada mais nada menos, que uma traição à nossa pátria. E basta pensar um pouco também... Porque é que militares sairíam à rua com cravos nas armas? Arriscar-se a levar um tiro? Toda essa história está muito mal contada, mas eu percebo... O que interessa hoje em dia é o dinheiro. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-33854414703368253152017-04-25T04:11:24.192-07:002017-04-25T04:11:24.192-07:00Claro, esteja à vontade.
Obrigado pelo comentário....Claro, esteja à vontade.<br />Obrigado pelo comentário.Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-43319342331453743202017-04-24T06:28:17.345-07:002017-04-24T06:28:17.345-07:00Caro Alvor-Silves.
Achei muito interessante conhe... Caro Alvor-Silves.<br /> Achei muito interessante conhecer esta versão dos acontecimentos. Espero que não se importe mas vou tomar a liberdade de publicar no "feicebuque".<br /> Rui Santos.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08011434798479228737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-11513346911289172972016-05-14T07:19:42.847-07:002016-05-14T07:19:42.847-07:00On his trip ashore, Commander Corneil first spoke ...On his trip ashore, Commander Corneil first spoke to Commander Gregor MacIntosh of HMCS Yukon which was about to sail from back to Canada after participating in The NATO Standing Naval Force Atlantic (STANAVFORLANT).{6} Meanwhile, the boat's crew was standing by a railing around the square watching the gunfire! Commander Corneil called the Canadian Embassy and was advised by the Second Secretary that there did not appear to be any danger to Canadians. He then contacted the Canadian Ambassador, R. Duhamel, seeking advice and direction. He was unable to get any specific direction from him, being told repeatedly to "do what your superiors tell you to do". After these many repetitions, Corneil finally said "Mr. Ambassador, you are my superior officer, until you decide what you want me to do!" He was then advised to get back to the Embassy.<br /><br />Shortly afterwards, the American Assistant Naval Attache, in plain clothes, approached Commander Corneil. He was fluent in Portuguese and described what was going on. From this, Corneil was able to give the Embassy a detailed account of events and the uncertainty of the Portuguese naval officers present who did not want to leave the Doca until they were certain who was going to win. At 12:18 the Commander Corneil returned to the ship, having picked up the two members of Assiniboine's ship's company who were ashore.<br /><br />There were other Canadian complications ashore. A Canadian Air Force Argus detachment from Greenwood was at the international airport at Portela which had been seized at 3:30 that morning by a unit of the officer training school.{7} Several personnel had brought spouses to Lisbon and were with them in downtown hotels. There was no way of contacting them or ensuring their safety, but the swiftness and lack of violence in the coup prevented any harm coming their way.<br /><br />By mid-afternoon it was clear that there was nothing further we could do. Therefore, we weighed anchor shortly before 3:00 p.m. and sailed slowly down the Tagus, watching the activities of crowds ashore, especially their rapid dispersal when a tank suddenly appeared at an intersection.<br /><br /><i>The author was the Executive Officer of HMCS Assiniboine at the time.</i><br /><br /><b>Notes:</b><br />1. Michael Harsgor. Portugal in Revolution, The Washington Papers, (Beverly Hills: Sage Publications), 1976, p. 21.<br />2. All times are taken from the log of HMCS Assiniboine for April 1974. (Times have been converted to a.m./p.m. and rounded out in some places - Editor) <br />3. Insight on Portugal (London: Times Newspapers Limited, Andre Deutch, 1975), p. 83.<br />4. Harsgor, p. 22.<br />5. Insight, p. 96.<br />6. All details of Commander Corneil's activities ashore are from a letter to the author 11 Jan 98. <br />7. Insight, p. 84-5.<br /><br />© Copyright NOAC 1998<br /><br />-------<br /><br /><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20041015135449/http://naval.ca/article/thomas/hmcsassiniboine_byroberththomas.html" rel="nofollow"><br />HMCS Assiniboine and the 1974 Portuguese Coup or "Where was this covered in command exams?"</a><br />Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-19279499861536551842016-05-14T07:18:00.690-07:002016-05-14T07:18:00.690-07:00Deixo aqui este texto do Capitão R. H. Thomas, que...Deixo aqui este texto do Capitão R. H. Thomas, que complementa a história do navio Assiniboine no 25 de Abril de 1974.<br /><br />------------------<br /><br /><b>HMCS Assiniboine and the 1974 Portuguese Coup or "Where was this covered in command exams?"</b><br /><br /><i>Captain Robert H. Thomas, RCN, Ret'd</i><br /><br />In the spring of 1974, Portugal had been in political turmoil for some time, with dissent focussed within the Army over policies in overseas Portuguese territories. In Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea-Basseau revolution and terrorism had challenged the Portuguese colonial administrations for over a decade. An attempted coup on March 16, led by junior officers opposed to the extreme right-wing government, had failed, lulling the government into complacency. Six weeks later, a second military coup succeeded and seized power.<br /><br />HMCS Assiniboine found herself in the middle of the coup. She was part of a NATO fleet scheduled to assemble in Lisbon and to sail at first light on April 25. The timing of the coup had been planned, in part, to follow the departure of the fleet to ensure that the Tagus would be free of foreign warships.{1} The vagaries of the sea intervened.<br /><br />In the morning of April 22, while en route to Lisbon, Assiniboine sighted a small Grenadian merchant vessel, the Trade Mariner, which had been adrift without power for eight days. Day-long attempts to repair her engine were unsuccessful so Assiniboine took her in tow and headed for Lisbon, 350 miles away. This delayed Assiniboine's arrival until 11:00 a.m. on April 24. However, Captain Jock Allen, Commander of the Canadian Task Group, approved a 48 hour stay in Lisbon.<br /><br />On arrival, Assiniboine secured outboard of several other warships and had to shift very early on April 25 to permit the others to sail as planned for the exercise. The pilot in charge of the move arrived late, almost incoherent and complaining of a traffic jam in the city. A "cold" shift by tug to the anchorage duly commenced at just before 7:00 a.m.{2} Two members of Assiniboine's ship's company were left ashore to move a rental vehicle to the Doca de Marinho, where the ship was due to move.<br /><br />At anchor, permission could not be received to move alongside and it soon became clear that something serious was going on. The pilot was talking to authorities ashore but either could not, or would not, explain what was happening. In fact, unbeknownst to us, the coup had started at 3:00 that morning and the Army had moved rapidly to seize control of the city.<br /><br />Shortly after 9:00 a.m. a Portuguese frigate, the Almirante Gago Coutinho, approached Assiniboine. She was clearly at action stations and circled around us. Our reaction was to go to a higher degree of watertight integrity but to take no overt action which might be perceived as threatening or provocative by the Portuguese. At the same time, we were giving serious thought as to what to do if she attempted any hostile action. What we did not know was that the Army was equally uncertain about the frigate's intentions and had tanks ready to fire at it if it took hostile action. However, in mid-morning, after its officers had apparently refused the orders of the Captain to fire on the city, the ship elevated its guns skyward and withdrew.{3}<br /><br />We were finally ordered to remain at anchor at 10:00 a.m. hours due to political unrest ashore. To find out what was going on, the Commanding Officer, Commander Robin Corneil, took a small party ashore at 10:25 in an attempt to meet the Canadian Ambassador and seek his instructions.<br /><br />Meanwhile, our two sailors ashore had blissfully driven to the ship's destination and parked, only to hear gunfire and witness considerable commotion. Here members of the PIDE (International Police for Defence of the State) had barricaded themselves in their headquarters across the street and fired indiscriminately into the crowd.{4} Ultimately, five individuals were killed and many more wounded - the only bloodshed in the coup.{5}<br /><br />Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-51550939068439465682016-05-13T22:41:27.788-07:002016-05-13T22:41:27.788-07:00Caro José Manuel,
o seu comentário foi apanhado n...Caro José Manuel, <br />o seu comentário foi apanhado no Spam do Blogger... pois, pois é!<br />Esses testemunhos são bastantes importantes... especialmente para quem não vivia em Lisboa, já que fora do centro de acção, no tempo e no espaço, chega apenas aquilo que é para ser transmitido, e mais nada!<br />Toda a gente aprendeu muito bem a versão florida dos cravos nas espingardas, e como a história era bonita, cativou, e ainda bem que não foi pior - porque poderia ter sido. <br />É como diz, se não houvessem grandes certezas de bastidores, ninguém tinha ali chegado armado em herói sem apanhar um tiro... e é esse tipo de história distorcida que interessa passar, até porque o próximo herói julga que pode ter a mesma sorte... e não tem, acabando-se num instante o heroísmo. De qualquer forma, ainda quero crer que Salgueiro Maia não se prestou a ser a marioneta que queriam que ele fosse, e por isso mesmo acabou desconsiderado, à esquerda e à direita.<br /><br />Abraço.Alvor-Silveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15596706877697025183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5635062141497438566.post-800693542176386392016-04-26T18:26:53.061-07:002016-04-26T18:26:53.061-07:00nos dias seguintes ao golpe ouvia-se nas ruas de L...nos dias seguintes ao golpe ouvia-se nas ruas de Lisboa que a esquadra da nato estava ao largo pronta a intervir contra a revolução, como qual não é assim tao fácil de enganar o zé povinho... estive nesse movimento de mirones das 9 às 23h vi feridos e pide morto, muitos tiros no Carmo, uma granada na Ribeira, não foi assim tao "poética" a revolução, morreu muita gente durante o prec... curioso o meu cunhado estava lá na baixa nesse 25 como alferes dos rangers e eu como adolescente civil, ele nunca falou sobre esse dia, eu tinha bastante que contar mas ninguém quereria saber o que é o espirito de "matilha de lobos" da populaça, que passa rapidamente a de rebanho de carneiros. triste de passar num dia de império a país pobre, a França tem ainda "colónias" em todos os cantos do mundo, os portugueses são muito BURROS!<br /><br />Cpts<br />José Manuel<br /><br />P.S,<br />uns dias antes da revolução vi um jipe do exército cerca das 2 da madrugada com um oficial a tirar medidas da rua no largo da camara de lisboa, mas esta da nato estar directamente envolvida no golpe de estado foi novo para mim, penso que houve um deixar fazer pela parte do poder aos comunistas, o Salgueiro Maia entra no Carmo desarmado e como disse o oficial da guarda na TV num minuto podia ter levado um tiro dum GNR e morrido, mas não levou... e o Carmo estava cercado por uns dois pelotões da GNR. e depois vem o Spínola se meter naquele barulho no Carmo de mercedes e sem escolta, tudo como se tivesse sido com timings, uma grande farsa esse 25 de Abril de 1974.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com